jwbot: "Also, why are people so quick to jump on her? she certainly means no disrespect. She did not flip off the flag and go "fuck you Australia". People are so picky sometimes."
Didn't mean to get heavy! :-) Certainly not Serena's issue... it was a good informal photo shoot, no issue from me on the photos at all.
I was just fucked off that the site we were linked to reckoned it was such a big, big, huge, massive issue that the US flag touched the ground given that they were showing pictures of the US flag being used in a way that could be read as saying 'fuck you Aust, UK and France' in a symbolic/protocol way (but noone normal would think that)... although maybe what I said didn't come over that way... :-)
No sensible person would give a rat's toss about any of it, but there's so much f'ing stupidity about on these issues (like on that site, IMO) that I felt moved to point out the obvious coz I think cretins get away with too much BS.
Cheers, Max :-)
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Serena Williams (Dishonors) American Flag!
by Voyager infriends, i apologize if this is old information.
sometimes i can't keep up with (all) the posts here.
the thread lists this as (janurary 25, 2003) so thats why i thought it to be old.. i remember that serena williams had (won) the cup and championship, and was photographed carrying the american flag, or engaging in what (some people) considered as (idolatry),--but what was (news) to me, was the fact that she was also photographed (dishonoring) the american flag as well.
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Serena Williams (Dishonors) American Flag!
by Voyager infriends, i apologize if this is old information.
sometimes i can't keep up with (all) the posts here.
the thread lists this as (janurary 25, 2003) so thats why i thought it to be old.. i remember that serena williams had (won) the cup and championship, and was photographed carrying the american flag, or engaging in what (some people) considered as (idolatry),--but what was (news) to me, was the fact that she was also photographed (dishonoring) the american flag as well.
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Actually, looking closer it just might be the British flag behind the US flag in those sitting pictures...
But in another picture, another rule seems to be broken: "The [Australian] flag should not be smaller than that of any other flag or ensign." The Australian flag seems to be smaller and in the lowest and most inferior position of the three foreign flags on Australian sovereign territory (the other flags being US, UK and France - the other countries to hold Grand Slam tournaments ).The annoying thing about that site is that it complains about the US flag being on the ground, but dosn't acknoledge that the US flag was given improper prominance over the host nation's flag thus causing an offence to their soverignty (as well as three other countries flags touching the ground too).
It smacks of arrogent patriotism, not a genuine concern for the sanctity of national symbols.
Fortunatly, Australian's are pretty cool and wouldn't have been too bothered... probably wouldn't have even noticed.
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Serena Williams (Dishonors) American Flag!
by Voyager infriends, i apologize if this is old information.
sometimes i can't keep up with (all) the posts here.
the thread lists this as (janurary 25, 2003) so thats why i thought it to be old.. i remember that serena williams had (won) the cup and championship, and was photographed carrying the american flag, or engaging in what (some people) considered as (idolatry),--but what was (news) to me, was the fact that she was also photographed (dishonoring) the american flag as well.
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Poor girl probably didn't know - patriotic stuff like the flag not touching the ground probably wasn't big at home... Seems a bit precious to me, especially becuase...
(And was on the ground too).
"When flown in Australia or on Australia territory the Australian national flag takes precedence over all national flags."
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When an Elder assigned to give a talk is a no show.
by Blueblades inhas it happened in your congregation?
an elder is going to be late, stuck in traffic or lost, and dosen't show up at all!.
according to the society's guidelines, ( yes!
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I used to live in a remote area with only 2 elders and 1 MS who gave PT's. So we only had a talk maybe every six or ten weeks or so... it made a Sunday sort of barable...
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What are Americans taught about U.S and what do you really believe?
by sleepy injust wondering what exactly americans (u.s.a) are taught about their country in school .do you really salute a flag, do you swear allegiance to the country.
are you taught that you fought for freedom, and that america is the land of the free, etc etc?
do you actually believe what you are taught?
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Badger: "...Americans have a great desire for "local control" of schools."
Dosn't the local control and funding of schools also mean each area gets the best school it can AFFORD? Meaning that children born in a poor area (umm... Flint, Michigan?) who attend a badly funded school are more likely to have a much more limited chance of 'success' (whatever that is) than a child born in a rich area with the best of everything at school?
Dosn't deliberatly giving some kids a much, much better resourced education just on the basis of where their parents live go against the ideal of America being a country of opportunity for all where anyone can be President or a millionaire? It seems more like an entreched, partly self-imposed caste system.
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Who's been around the most?
by blobby in.
how far travelled are you?.
how many different countries have you visited in your life time.......................can't name the same country twice ....even if it has changed names.. countries on other planets don't count !.
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Counting countries I've slept at least a night in:
Australia - all states and territories except Queensland (and who'd want to go there?)
US - FL, DC, NYC
UK - England, Wales, Scotland
India
Indonesia - Bali and Lombok
New Zealand
Ireland
Germany
France
Norway
Swizerland
Italy
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What are Americans taught about U.S and what do you really believe?
by sleepy injust wondering what exactly americans (u.s.a) are taught about their country in school .do you really salute a flag, do you swear allegiance to the country.
are you taught that you fought for freedom, and that america is the land of the free, etc etc?
do you actually believe what you are taught?
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"If you really think these are cultures than you really havent had much experience of the rest of the world."
Any country has cultural difference within it's boundaries and the US is more internally diverse than most others due to the size of it's population and the fact of various indigenous peoples still being present.
But I don't think it's accurate to compare the cultural experience of moving between regions of North America with moving between regions of Asia or Europe. The North American cultural range is more narrow than on all other continents except Australia and Antarctica. There's nothing wrong with that, and it has real advantages. The only point is that without exploring other places a narrow mindset is likley to develop.
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What are Americans taught about U.S and what do you really believe?
by sleepy injust wondering what exactly americans (u.s.a) are taught about their country in school .do you really salute a flag, do you swear allegiance to the country.
are you taught that you fought for freedom, and that america is the land of the free, etc etc?
do you actually believe what you are taught?
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This sort of dosn't read right...
"The British are taught that the United Kingdom is the greatest nation on earth. The Richest. The land of the Free and the home of the Brave. We are taught that we are the most generous and charitable nation. That anyone man or woman can become Prime Minister. That anyone can become wealthy. That we have freedom of speech and worship without fear of retribution. The most beautiful and diverse melting pot of ethnicity. The Crown says give us your poor and wretched."
You'd have to use different words to describe the merits of the UK.
This dosn't sit right either:
"America is the only country that can be the greatest and richest and most free. Your country can't be the greatest, richest or most free becuase we're America and you're not. It wouldn't matter if your country had more greatness or more riches or greater freedom - we're America so therefore we're richer and greater and freer than you because we're America and you're not. Up yours."
I don't think that's what Americans mean, even though that's what they say. 'Greatest', 'richest', 'most free' are exclusive words, but meant in a non-exlusive way ... I think ... am I wrong?
If I were to say my country were the richest, greatest or the most free (or whatever superlatives I wanted to use), would Americans raise up in arms to say I'm wrong because my country isn't America? I doubt it, they'd probably say 'Great, can we come visit?'. (Or would they send a missle to prove the point?)
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Would You Buy A Lottery Ticket or Smoke In Front of a JW?
by minimus inif you knew a witness was in a convenience store, would you brazenly buy cigarettes or lottery tickets in front of them??
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"Can anyone answer why since i have smoked and bought lottery tickets, why i haven't been reported to the elders, and been disfellowshiped? The jws saw me point blank."
Maybe they're just being humane and not saying anything - it happens.
If you're not associating and the elders have been told, then if you start going back you may well be asked about it by a JC.
Would I? I'd probably avoid it out of curtosy, but if it happened 'accidently' it wouldn't bother me much, though I may be a bit embarressed on their behalf. They probably want to buy tickets themselves!
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Is JW all doom and gloom?
by uninitiated ini am in a relationship with a man who is jw.
the things he tells me leads me to believe that their beliefs espouse doing nothing to better the world as it is hopeless, and all is coming to an end anyway.
this seems like a cowardly way to face the hardships in this world.
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Doom, gloom, fear, guilt, worry, sadness, self-righteousness... they're all emotions developed by believing what JW's believe and living their lifestyle. One result is the suspention of all critical reasoning capacity in regard anything related to JW anything.
He probably really likes you (or is severly infatuated with you) to be getting so close, but chances are he'll either become an emotional wreak if he's caught out and disiplined*, or will just slink away from you at some point when he comes to a point where he feels he has no options. Leaving the JW's is generally not an option.
Chances are that he'll pull away from you soon. In the long run, you may be well off to accept that if it happens.
Ugly isn't it...
Max
* To be Disfellowshipped seems like being put on death row awaiting an inevitable death by God and means being excludued from all friends and family. You're not imprisioned, but might as well be. Any punishment short of that is nearly as bad.